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* is mail working correctly?  I don't seem to receive any.  Maybe my addy is incorrect.
* is mail working correctly?  I don't seem to receive any.  Maybe my addy is incorrect.


== Naming Conventions ==
== Naming again ==


Hi [[User:Laibsch|Laibsch]], it seems that you are the most active admin in this wiki. I would suggest to create a little '''naming policy''' for the OE-wiki. Because MediaWiki has no need to use WikiWords i belive we should use the original, ''official'' naming from the outer world (e.g. Openmoko instead of OpenMoko) and avoid abbreviations (see [[Category_talk:Dev]]). This would make the wiki much more useful, especially for beginners. If you agree it would be a good idea to create a page to fix these rules. It would also be good to have an own MediaWiki namespace different from the OE stuff for such administrative pages. -- [[User:Sledz|SSZ]] 11:23, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Laibsch, your [http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php?title=Devshell&curid=187&diff=1296&oldid=1223 change] is an example for additional work resulting from misunderstanding abbreviations by wiki users (see [[Category talk:Dev]]). For a casual user it is not clear what ''Dev'' stands for. ''Developer''? ''Development''? ''Device''? Once again i suggest to rename ambiguous pages and categories. -- [[User:Sledz|Sledz]] 07:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


:Sledz, thank you for your suggestion to which I am very open.  Are you familiar with Mediawiki, interested in helping with the admin work and willing to put forward a proposal? --[[User:Laibsch|Laibsch]] 04:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
: A wiki is a wiki and that is what it should remain being.  The [[:Category:Dev]] page clearly states what it is about.  No matter what you do, people will have different perceptions or plainly not read what is there.  I think it is a question of overhead vs. flexibility.  I choose flexibility to make users want to contribute to the wiki.  The overhead is far less than the time we spent arguing about it. --[[User:Laibsch|Laibsch]] 12:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


:added on Feb 13th: I think Dev is OK, btw.  Many people use the word Dev in conversations like "I am not a dev".  I don't have a strong opinion on this particular one, though. --[[User:Laibsch|Laibsch]] 08:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
PS: What about putting [[Openembedded:Help]] to the sidebar now?


::I'm a wikipedia user for a long time and run a tiny, private mediawiki for myself. So i believe i can help with the admin work. And yes, i'm willing to make a proposal. May be [[Openembedded:Help]] (aka helppage in the [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]) could be a good starting point. -- [[User:Sledz|Sledz]] 18:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
== Header Level ==


::: Go right ahead and formulate your proposal (can be rough at first IMHO).  I'll then discuss upping your privs with the other admins so you can do the actual implementation.  Feel free to do what you can already do without admin privs right now.  That will only make the case for increased privs for you stronger. --[[User:Laibsch|Laibsch]] 05:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Laibsch, once again me, the nitpicker. ;-)


:::: OK, i'll do my very best. ;-) -- [[User:Sledz|Sledz]] 13:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
You [http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php?title=Infrastructure&curid=158&diff=1345&oldid=1340 reverted] my header level fixup at the [[Infrastructure]] page. In MediaWiki applications it is common practise, that the page title itself is header level 1, so all subheaders should be level 2 (see e.g. Wikipedia.org). This clear structure is very helpful if you want to export the pages to other formats (e.g. PDF for printing). -- [[User:Sledz|Sledz]] 15:49, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


:::: You can find my first proposal under [[Openembedded talk:Help]]. If the are no objections i would move this to [[Openembedded:Help]] after a while. -- [[User:Sledz|Sledz]] 19:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: I was unaware of this, but it looks like indeed Wikipedia follows this practice. Not sure if this wiki will be exported to PDF, but how would we do this?  IOW, where would it make a practical difference?  Until now, I just found it natural to start header level at 1. --[[User:Laibsch|Laibsch]] 20:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


::::: Looks good to me.  Just two comments, I don't think every page needs to be in a category. Secondly, the text should clearly state from the beginning that this is best-practice not dogma. I'd appreciate any contribution, no matter the form, over people being scared to contribute.  This wiki is still legible, I think, we don't need to be too rigid. I guess we can just let users contribute. If they want to follow our guidelines, more power to them.  If not, we can correct their "mistakes" as wiki maintainers. Thank you very much for your work in this domain. --[[User:Laibsch|Laibsch]] 07:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:: For PDF export there are a lot of MediaWiki extensions e.g. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PDF_Writer PDF Writer] together with [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection Collection] or [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Pdf_Book PdfBook] and [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Pdf_Export PdfExport]. And as said before header level 1 is used for the page title itself. -- [[User:Sledz|Sledz]] 15:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 
== [[Openembedded:Copyrights]] ==
 
There is a link to [[Openembedded:Copyrights]] below the text box when editing pages. I think there should be a valid copyright text. -- [[User:Sledz|Sledz]] 13:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 
: This is a wiki.  Feel free to edit any non-blocked pages. In the worst case, people will edit it back and revert your changes. --[[User:Laibsch|Laibsch]] 07:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:: That's clear. But a copyright should not be a free-editable page. There should be a clear statement on the copyright by the the operator of the wiki. Same for [[Openembedded:General disclaimer]], [[Openembedded:Privacy policy]], and [[Openembedded:About]]. -- [[User:Sledz|Sledz]] 08:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 14:06, 19 April 2010

ToDo

  • think about policy for allowing and denying access to certain pages and groups of pages
  • interwiki links to bug tracker, etc.
  • is mail working correctly? I don't seem to receive any. Maybe my addy is incorrect.

Naming again

Hi Laibsch, your change is an example for additional work resulting from misunderstanding abbreviations by wiki users (see Category talk:Dev). For a casual user it is not clear what Dev stands for. Developer? Development? Device? Once again i suggest to rename ambiguous pages and categories. -- Sledz 07:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

A wiki is a wiki and that is what it should remain being. The Category:Dev page clearly states what it is about. No matter what you do, people will have different perceptions or plainly not read what is there. I think it is a question of overhead vs. flexibility. I choose flexibility to make users want to contribute to the wiki. The overhead is far less than the time we spent arguing about it. --Laibsch 12:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

PS: What about putting Openembedded:Help to the sidebar now?

Header Level

Hi Laibsch, once again me, the nitpicker. ;-)

You reverted my header level fixup at the Infrastructure page. In MediaWiki applications it is common practise, that the page title itself is header level 1, so all subheaders should be level 2 (see e.g. Wikipedia.org). This clear structure is very helpful if you want to export the pages to other formats (e.g. PDF for printing). -- Sledz 15:49, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I was unaware of this, but it looks like indeed Wikipedia follows this practice. Not sure if this wiki will be exported to PDF, but how would we do this? IOW, where would it make a practical difference? Until now, I just found it natural to start header level at 1. --Laibsch 20:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
For PDF export there are a lot of MediaWiki extensions e.g. PDF Writer together with Collection or PdfBook and PdfExport. And as said before header level 1 is used for the page title itself. -- Sledz 15:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
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